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Radio. Hello and welcome. Good
to have you with us. I'm Bill

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Martinez. We've got Paul Kamanar with
us. Paul is the Washington, DC

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lawyer who is also counsel to the
National Legal and Policy Center. It's a

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public interest watchdog group. I'm going
to talk about all things Trump, talk

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about the latest Scotis decision, that
heads are still brain bruised over it,

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and Paul is the one to walk
us through it all and straighten out some

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of the confusion that's going on.
Paul, welcome the show. Good to

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have you with us. Thank you
Bill for having me my pleasure. Well,

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before we get into all things Trump, first of all, let's talk

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about Scotus's decision to make sure that
Donald Trump, the leading candidate for the

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Republican Party, that his name is
on the ballots and that states no longer

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can arbitrarily remove his name from the
ballot. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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That was a nine to zero decision
that was expected. I was there in

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the court room when they had the
or argument a few weeks ago, and

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it was clear from the questioning that
it was going to go on Donald Trump's

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way. Now, there was some
dissent, so to speak. It's actually

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what's called a concurrence by the three
liberal justices that complained that the conservatives on

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the court went too far. That
they all agreed that the states don't have

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authority to keep federal officials off the
ballot. They're certainly okay to keep state

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candidates off the ballot, that's the
state law. But then they said that

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the conservatives went too far and said
that the only way that this provision of

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the Constitution can be enforced is by
having Congress passed what's called enabling legislation.

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And they got all out of source
for the Court going that far. But

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frankly, they didn't need they went
far because that's what they require to do.

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In fact, Congress already passed enabling
legislation in nineteen forty eight saying that

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if you're guilty of insurrection rebellion,
and even if you are aided or assisted

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in that, the Fourteenth Amendment,
by the way, doesn't provide for that.

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It's only if you engage in it. So here's a statue that's broader,

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and it covers everybody, not just
those who took an oath of office.

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So I don't know what they were
complaining about, because Congress did pass

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this law in nineteen forty eight,
and that's all in the book. So

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it was only clear that Congress should
be the one to basically fill in the

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blanks of what this amendment makes,
especially because the Fourteenth Amendment, Section five

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says that Congress shall have the authority
to enact enabling legislation for all the provisions

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in this amendment. So it really
was they're going out of a way for

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a cheap shot at the conservative majority. Well, Paul, the operative term

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here is guilty, right, I
mean, there's no guilt. There hasn't

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even there. You know, it's
been I guess guilt in the court of

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public opinion if you bifurcate the numbers, you want to look it that way.

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But even then that's not the rule
of law. You know, public

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opinion doesn't dictate, you know.
So Donald Trum was never he was never

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even I mean it was suggested,
but he was never really indicted. Even

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with the impeachment. They didn't impeach
him for insurrection. They just kind of,

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you know, try to color up
the narrative. But that's really unfair,

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isn't it. It is? And
Jack Smith, who's the special consul,

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filed the indictment here in d C
for Trump allegedly interfering with the election,

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and he did not charge insurrection or
inciting the riot or any of those

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things. And therefore it's clear that
they couldn't prove that number one and number

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two. If the states were allowed, like Colorado did and Maine and Illinois,

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they could say, oh, he's
a guilty of instruction because that's what

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we think it is. There will
be no due process, you know,

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no real evidence, no standard of
proof. So it was clear that the

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states could not have this patchwork quilt
of their own interpretation what an insurrection is

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in order to keep Trump off the
ballot, Paul. What's so confusing here

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is the left continues to stick to
their story no matter what, whether we're

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talking January sixth, the narrative that
you know now here. Recently I heard

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somebody say, well, President Trump
didn't order the National Guard to be there

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on the premises, but that's not
his job. His job is to authorize,

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and it's clear and inarguable that he
authorized the National Guard. It was

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up to Mariel Bowser and Nancy Pelosi
to order the National Guard in. Is

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that correct? Yeah, that's my
understanding. Meriel Bowser, for your listeners,

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is the mayor of the district of
Columbia that has the authority to bring

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the Guard out. So yeah,
that's clear that you know, he did

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authorize it, and they had the
authority to actually move those troops in there.

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But also there was the responsibility of
the Capitol Hill Police and Nancy Pelosi

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to have security, and they were
warned by the FBI several weeks ahead of

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time saying, hey, we got
some people coming here. We think there

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may be some trouble based on the
chatter we're saying online. And yet they

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did not put up the barricades.
They put up these a little silly bicycle

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racks, and they were totally unprepared
for it. And therefore you see what

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happened. Well, you would think
for all the money that we authorized,

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we the people taxpayers, paid for
this increased security. What happened in the

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Summer of love with Antifa Black Lives
Matter attacking you know, DC and across

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from the White House. In fact, they even had to put the President

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underground to protect it. They were
that concerned about it. You would think

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that that would have been a practice, a dry run drill for what it

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would have happened for January sixth.
And like you say, with all the

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detail and pre information that the FBI
had, I mean, this is almost

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seeming like there was a this was
a setup. Paul, Yeah, well

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that's there's some charges on that.
I'm not sure if I would go that

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far, but what it was was
clearly a drop in the security there.

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And when the January sixth Committee started
to investigate all this, a couple of

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their requirements and the authorizing statue was
investigate the security, what went wrong?

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Why did it go wrong? Who's
accountable for letting the security down? And

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you didn't hear anything about that during
the age. All you heard was the

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bad things that the protesters did and
so forth. So they dropped the ball

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and they didn't want to really investigate
it because it would show the shortcomings and

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the faults from Nancy Pelosi and the
Capitol Police and the DC police. See,

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Paul was so frustrating. It requires, you know, attorneys such as

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yourself and other fair minded people to
draw back from it to help us understand

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because the mainstream media, it's like, and this is where I say the

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fix was in, and I get
it. Is an attorney, you need

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to you know, you're here to
talk about what's what's been proven, and

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what I'm throwing up here is some
smoke and we haven't been able to find

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the direct fire. But that's the
nature of DC politics. You get plausible

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deniability, you get these narratives that
are out there, anonymous reporting. The

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mainstream media seems to be disinterested in
really getting down to the truth to what

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actually happened on January the sixth,
or even why January the sixth even happened.

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Paul, Yeah, yeah, that's
right. And like I said,

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they really didn't do any investigation as
to the lack of security you had FBI

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agents testify that the cf issul was
given to the proper authorities a couple of

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weeks ahead of time. And you
know, Nancy Pelosi allegedly said, well,

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we don't want to have too much
security because that won't look right to

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show that we're at right. Yeah, the optics of it all, well,

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you know, there's negligence on their
part on that. Yeah. But

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meanwhile, you've got hundreds of people
that are sitting in jail without due process

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and in some now, you know, some of the truth is coming out

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that there's been overreached by judges.
There's been some modification of sentences. Yes,

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you know, this could be the
beginning of some indication. I would

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hope that there could be some fairness. But meanwhile, I don't know how

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you remedy three years of incarceration.
Uh. And the way this thing has

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been adjudicated, Paul, Yeah,
No, And what you're referring to is

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a couple of weeks ago the DC
Court of Appeals here they should have ruling

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that one of the provision that the
prosecutors were using to enhance the senses was

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unlawfully applied and therefore a lot of
these January six ers were going to have

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their senses reconsidered and may not erase
them, but it will certainly reduce them.

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But moreover, Uh, the Supreme
Court has agreed to hear from one

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of the January six ers two charge
charges of obstructing a congressional proceeding. And

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the argument was that, wait a
minute, that that did not apply to

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this case, because that provision they're
citing, UH came from the Sarbanes Oxley

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legislation, which was designed to prevent
companies from destroying their documents UH and their

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hard drives if the government's investigating,
and so that that didn't apply here.

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There was no January six ers who
were destroying uh their documents or or their

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videos on their phone, etc.
No. But what the government is saying

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was, well, you were destroying
evidence. Well what's the evidence. Well,

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let's see, let me make this
up to prospers. Aha, there

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were votes cast by the Electoral College
in that box that was sitting there in

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Congress, and you were trying to
get into that box and tear up the

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vote. I mean, the thing
is really ridiculous. And so but here's

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the thing. Donald Trump, who's
charged in DC with four counts the two

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major counts are the obstruction counts that
are before the Supreme Court, and they're

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going to hear that case later this
spring. So if the court rules in

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favor of the January sixtheres, that's
going to basically deep six and cut to

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the knees of the indictment here against
Donald Trump exactly. Well, it's interesting,

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you know, going along that line
with sarbangez Oxley and the destruction of

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legal documents and you know evidence you
got Hillary Clinton's case, I mean,

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that is clear she destroyed evidence.
You have even the January sixth committee which

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was told to maintain that evidence and
everything that they had processed on behalf of

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we the people not to not to
deep six that information. And the committee

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meanwhile went ahead and defiantly got rid
of all that evidence that they utilized that

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we you know, cost it cost
us millions of dollars all this research and

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investigation, and they deep six that. So how are they not culpable in

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breaking the very law that they're accusing
the Jay six ers to do it?

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Well, I'm not sure in terms
of how much they deleted. I know

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they deleted some of the stuff,
but a lot of that information was released

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by Kevin McCarthy when he was speaking
the House UH to the January sixth defendants.

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So a lot of the video,
hundreds of hours are out there in

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the public domain. But speaking of
destroying evidence, we want to change the

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subjects a little bit. The the
UH Robert Herr report that went after Joe

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Biden for his misuse of classified documents, right uh, and her report said,

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well, we're not going to prosecute
Joe Biden because he's an old,

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doddering old man and he forgets things, and the Jerry's going to have sympathety

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sympathy for him, and and therefore
we're not going to prosecute him. Well

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that's a bunch of who we number
one but number two? Uh. Briden

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gave some of this information to his
ghostwriter, and the ghostwriter recorded some of

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the interviews with Biden, and the
ghostwriter destroyed his video his audio tapes of

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the interview. And know you read
it, Harry Pertson, at least you're

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going to go after this guy for
destruction of evidence. Right. No,

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they said, we we got some
of that, we retrieved it in other

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ways. I said, I mean, it's amazing how they're letting that go.

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And of course tomorrow we'll hear from
Robert Hurr before Congress about this whole

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report about the investigation of Joe Biden
and hiss a misuse of the classified documents.

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Paul, how can you blame the
everyday American looking at all things d

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C, Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, anything Trump versus you know, DC

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politics as being you know, unfair
and targeted. I mean, the way

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they've gone after this president and uh
and basically made it obvious that we're not

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dealing with a single tear justice system
and that late justice. Somehow the blindfold

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is lifted from one eye when it
comes to things that are for liberals versus

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conservatives. Well, you're absolutely right, and they make no bones about it.

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I mean, just look at the
investigation in Georgia by Fanny Willis.

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Exactly when she was running for off
she said, I'm going to get Donald

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Trump. Well wait a minute.
You know, it's sort of like in

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the Soviet Union where Stalin's head of
his secret police was his body was show

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me the man, and I'll show
you the crime. You know, the

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United States is supposed to first find
if there is a crime and see who

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done it. So you saw Fanny
Willis use this two tier system of justice,

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and then you see Alvin Bragg in
New York who's going to be having

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his trial the end of this month
in terms of the so called hushpuny payments

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to store Me Daniels and whether that
violated any law, And of course it

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did not, because that was a
non disclosure and those are made every day

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in this so that's but they're saying, well, okay, so what's the

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crime. Let's make one up.
Oh, well, you recorded it wrong

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in your business papers, and therefore
there's a you know, paperwork violation here

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on that. But even that is
well, wait a minute, you know

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in the New York law, that's
a little nicolin dimesticator. How does that

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right to the level of a felony? Right, yeah, Well, here's

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how they're doing it. They're saying, Aha, we're going to argue that

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you violated federal election campaign law because
that payment to Stormy Daniels should have been

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a federal campaign contribution to your campaign, and that's the federal crime. Number

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one. Alvin Bragh, I'm sorry, you're a local prosecutor. You don't

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have authority to make up federal crimes
number two. The two agencies that do

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have authority, the Federal Election Commission
and the Justice Department, took a pass

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on that there, so you go, well, what's going on? And

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even if they were right about that
theory. I used to work at the

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Feller Actual Commission. I do some
campaign finance law, and the law is

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if you get an unlawful contribution the
campaign, which they said, this is,

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the rule is you're supposed to give
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let me figure it. So by
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to some you know, for the
Stormy Daniels, he's supposed to campaign,

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not to give the money back to
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to the end. Where's the harm? I mean, it really is ridiculous

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that they're making this stuff up like
this. Well, it is ridiculous,

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but unfortunately it does injury to you
know, Donald Trump's credibility and and influences,

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you know, people's desire to want
to vote for him. It's kind

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of like, you know, Joe
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polling evidence, that if the people
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legitimate, which the FBI knew it
was, but didn't didn't say anything about

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it. They allowed fifty one intelligence
officials within our government to sign a letter

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saying that was Russian disinformation and the
FBI knew that it was wrong. Well,

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you know, so clearly that kind
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polling said that, you know,
roughly fifteen nineteen percent of them, you

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know, people who voted for Biden
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they would not have voted for him. And here they're perpetrating a lie,

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a clear lie about Donald Trump,
just in this particular case, but

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that seems to be the consistent pattern
that's out there. Paul, Yeah,

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no, you're right, and it
is a two to system of justice.

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And part of this investigation on the
Hill, the impeachment inquiry, is bringing

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forth evidence about how Hunter Biden,
Joe Biden Sun was basically shaking down Chinese

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interest Barisma in Ukraine to get millions
of dollars that went to at least ten

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members of the Biden family. And
the liberals say, well, wait a

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minute, we haven't seen any money
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number one, that's not true.
There's a forty thousand dollars check from

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his brother James Biden and his wife
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well that's let's see. Oh,
I'll try. It's a repayment of the

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loan. But they can't find any
paperwork on that. And number two,

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under bribery laws, a person can
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gets a benefit, but his family
members get benefit here. So it's clearly

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there's a criminal activity going on with
respect to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and

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the money. Not to mention the
classified documents case, you know, they're

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going after Trump on that, and
and Joe Biden had classified documents here at

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the Penn Biden Center at him in
his garage next to his corvette, et

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cetera. And they said, it's
wilful, but you know, we're not

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going to go after because he's a
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He had that State of the Union
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right, he's yeah, this guy's
sharp as attack. Yeah. Well,

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you can't have it both ways.
Yeah, well, unless you're a

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liberal. We're talking with Paul Kaminari. He's the Washington DC lawyer who's also

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counsel to the National Legal and Policy
Center of Public Interest watchdog group. You

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know, Paul, you're you're an
attorney, and you kind of understand and

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you see the small ball and the
big ball of this whole orchestration and this

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targeting of Donald Trump. And meanwhile, uh, we we have a democratic

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republic that's hanging in the balance here. Uh what, what's what's your comments

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carry on this situation? Well,
you know, not only is that the

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dual system of justice, it also
goes after the integrity of our whole government

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and the Justice Department. We're acting
like a third world country here where the

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person in power is going after his
chief political opponent. And that's what's underminding

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and eroting the public's confidence in our
whole legal system. Now. To be

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sure, Donald Trump has made some
advantage of him being persecuted because his poll

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numbers have gone up, to be
sure, but can you imagine what they

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would be if he wasn't having to
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and so forth. So it is
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the public as well as financially.
I mean, he just had a post

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a ninety million dollar Bond yes esterday
on that case in New York to civil

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case with g Carroll on the defamation, et cetera. So it really is

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amazing. They're just piling on here, and it's something that we'll have to

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But you know, he's still leading
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or five points exactly, which is
amazing because the amount of pain that the

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country is in because of the results
of the policies of one Joe Biden and

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the Democratic Left. You wonder,
go, gosh, are you telling me

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that over forty percent of the country
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Yeah, exactly, I mean they
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really fed up with a lot of
this. The Democrats are, except now

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that they're a little happy with that
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really wasn't a State of the Union
speech. Let's be honest. That was

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a dump speech. It was a
campaign rally. He misused the provision in

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the Constitution that requires the president to
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So so it wasn't stump speech.
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basically lied about a lot of things, especially with the immigration issue. Uh

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you know, he couldn't even get
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he was holding up her button that
Marjorie Taylor Green gave him, and he

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said, oh, uh yeah,
Lincoln Riley. And then he said,

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hey, what's the big deal here? She was killed by uh an illegal?

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Oops? I should have said a
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goes thousands of legals kill people,
So what's the big deal here? I

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mean, that was totally outrageous,
Like there's moral equivalency there. It's crazy,

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it really is so so. But
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Uh. That's why I guess what
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that again, the amount of enthusiasm
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the legal issues that are going on. I think, you know, more

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and more Americans are seeing it for
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what's happening. I mean, Blacks
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over twenty percent are leaving the Democratic
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Hispanics in notable numbers as well.
It's I don't know how it's sustainable and

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how the Democrats are going to be
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like they did in twenty twenty.
Will leave it at that, because it

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doesn't seem like our government is much
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we had a free and fair election. In twenty twenty. We're told

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that it was free and fair.
We're not supposed to question it whatsoever.

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And you know, he is the
president of the United States, and this

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is what we have to deal with. But I mean, we were told

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the same thing with John F.
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a clean election. And now we
find out sixty years later, the Democrats,

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by their own admission, are saying, well, if the facts known,

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yeah, we kind of we juiced
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we worked some numbers there Illinois,
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was involved as well. And you
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know, they they admitted, which
is kind of amazing, you know,

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and they're so blatant about it.
It reminds me of Harry Reid in the

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well of the Senate. If you
remember this, I think I will see

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this till the day I die.
I mean, his his obstinence and his

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defiance in talking about Mitt Romney and
how he lied about Mitt Romney, and

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his response was, Hey, he
didn't get elected president, did he?

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about Harry Reid, who used to be

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head of the ko Kooks Klan in
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the head of the Senate. Oh
and that. Yeah, Okay,

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you're right, take that cheap shot
at Robbie for sure. But it wasn't

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just Mitt Romney. It was our
Democratic Republic. I mean, how dare

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you undermine what we believe, you
know, should be fair, a free

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and fair election, and you're going
to, you know, you're going to

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deposit into the system such poison and
you think that it's acceptable because the ends

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justify the means. Well, that's
true. And then you got the double

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standard here. I mean, you
can go back and see videos on Nancy

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Pelosi the House floor saying that the
election for George Bush that was rigged,

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the voter, the voting machines in
Ohio were rigged, and so forth.

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So it's okay for the Democrats to
complain about a rigged system, but not

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for the Republicans to do that when
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And now that gets into this whole
issue of election coming up in terms of

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security voter ID. I mean,
the Democrats are wanting to have all these

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illegal image immigrants coming in to quickly
give them a voting privileges and send a

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mail in ballots and so forth.
So that's really disrupting and undermining our whole

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political system. Here. Well,
here you've got I don't know, seven

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ten million illegal immigrants coming into our
country at least at least, and Joe

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Biden has made it obvious that he
wants them to vote, and you can't

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blame them. I mean, you
know, I don't know if you saw

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this informal poll that Rachel campus Duffy
had conducted the illegal immigrants. She was

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at the border and asked them,
who would you vote for? One hundred

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percent? Paul hundred percent, said
Joe Biden. Of course, because he's

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inviting them in, come on in, yeah, get all these freebies.

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I mean, crazy people are paying
for it, and uh, you know,

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I mean they have no understanding of
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on top of that again which everybody
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they're going to tell you this,
this drives me crazy. Is all these

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illegal immigrants. These aren't just your
you know Ellis Island type immigrants. These

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are immigrants that are behold into the
cartel. You cannot get across the border

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unless you've paid the piper and you've
committed your soul and your allegiance to the

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cartel. And uh, if you
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terrorists who are coming across that are
on the terrorist list exactly and they don't

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know where they are. Uh.
And you have all the feedanyl coming in

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by these illegal immigrants who are carrying
that in and killing are citizens as well

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as physically killing them like we did
I did with some like Lake and Riley

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and so forth. So it really
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you know, you're not going to
have a country if you have if you

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don't have control of your borders.
I mean, there are those who've been

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waiting in line legally from other countries, including Mexico, who say, I'm

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applying the legal way because even some
of the immigrants that are here that did

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come the right way, that are
citizens, they're objecting to the way that

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otherwise could cut in line like this, because it's not fair to have that

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done in that way. Well,
how about the sponsors, Paul, the

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sponsors of legal immigrants, say,
look at will support and make sure that

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they are not a burden to their
communities. Right, And so now their

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jobs that they were, that were
available to them before are becoming a little

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bit slim pickens because you have all
these illegals that are coming in and willing

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to undermine and work for less.
And so it's lose lose all the way

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around. And you know, and
you know, we can't seem to find

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enough money, you know, with
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I mean I've heard as much as
five thousand dollars on an EBT card housing

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allowed for them. And then of
course now you have these Blue states that

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are going, we can't, we
can't, we can't afford this anymore.

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But Joe Biden and the Democrats,
it's almost like a little bit of an

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LBJ kind of thing. You know, he's telling all the Blue states hanging

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there. I know it's tough right
now, but what we're importing are all

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these future Democratic voters. So for
a little bit of pain that you're having

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to endure right now. Don't worry. We're going to end up having full

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control and we'll control the treasury to
such a degree that this is only going

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to be a minor inconvenience. Does
that make sense? Yeah, I can

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see that that's sort of a way
to trying to play this. And you

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know you have New York Bay or
Adams objecting to this, saying, hey,

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we can't taken anywhere we're full.
Uh in Chicago, they have that

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problem. Uh. And so they're
filling the pain, like you said.

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Uh, but in the long run, I think they're playing the long game

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here to make sure that they get
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party Uh. Exactly. They got
to they got to replace you know,

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the Blacks that are leaving, the
Hispanics that are leaving. H they've lost

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their ace and a hole. And
uh so this kind of is that answer

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to secure their power and control,
no doubt, Paul. Uh, let's

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update the people if we can.
On the Hunter Biden story, we touched

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on this. Yeah, he's being
investigated, he's come to Congress now he's

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actually showed up answering some questions where
are we on this? Well, yeah,

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so, so he did come up
to Congress eventually after thumbing his nose

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at a subpoena a month or so
ago. Uh and and uh. The

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criminal case again instead of spending in
California, he had to go before an

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arrayment there for six tax charges,
three of them felonies, and he pled

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not guilty. But he's got so
that trial is going to probably go take

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place, I would say later this
fall, but we'll see when that happens.

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But what's really disappointing about that is
that the prosecutor, David Weiss,

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who by the way, also filed
that gun charge against him in Delaware,

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so that case is still pending,
that he never went after him for violating

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the Foreign Agent Registration Act. And
that's the serious charge that our organization,

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the National Legal Policy said, we
filed a complaint three years ago with the

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Justice Department saying, hey, Hunter
Biden, the pen Biden Center, University

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of Pennsylvania, should be prosecuted for
violating the Foreign Agent Registration Act for being

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an agent of China of Burisman,
Ukraine by trying to promote the propaganda and

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their views political views here in the
United States by going to the Vice President

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Biden and other cronies they have here
in the government, and he never registered

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for that, and so the tax
chargers are very serious. But you know,

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I think, you know, come
election, whether Biden wins or not,

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I'm predicting that he's going to pardon
his son lest he be found guilty

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and have to serve some jail time
because the charges here call for at least

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a couple of years of hard time
in prison. There's no way this can

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be oh, slap on the wrist, do forty hours of community service and

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everything's fine. Because these are serious
tax chargers, you know, taking tax

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deductions for ten thousand dollars to join
a sex club and he says, oh,

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that that's a business expense. You
know, I don't know whether he

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was in the business of making porn
movies, et cetera, but these are

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all serious tax charges. And his
excuse was, well, I was strung

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out on drugs and alcohol. But
when they asked him during the deposition,

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you know, what did you do
to earn all this money? That's when

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he says, well, look,
I'm a lawyer. I know all this

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stuff. But when asked about you
know, all the other things about the

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money's going to these different LLCs,
et cetera. He you know, feigned

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confusion. Oh, I was on
drugs and strung out, so I'm not

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sure about that. So he's trying
to get away with that. But just

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so might and family have an excuse, you know, a profile or a

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binder of excuses to use. You
know, I'm feeble minded, I'm old,

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I fall over my feed, I'm
drug addled, I'm sex addicted.

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I guess all those excuses come into
play. The other thing, you know,

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going back to what you mentioned earlier
in terms of in terms of hout,

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Hunter Biden did not comport with foreign
registration. I mean that was that

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was the trouble that Paul Manifort got
thrown into jail in solid in faced solitary

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confinement for something like six to eight
months. Yeah, he did it a

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lot, a lot as well as
with the tax charges. So yeah,

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it's fine to go after him for
violated Foreign Ages Registration DECT, but not

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not Hunter Biden, who was doing
at least the same kind of thing in

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terms of getting money from foreign countries
and foreign businesses and doing their bidding here

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in the United States. Paul,
what's wrong with our country. I mean

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that we find ourselves at this point
where, like you say, I mean

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it's untenable. We can't have a
dual tiered system. This is this is

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not America. I mean, you
know, this is really heartbreaking. I

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say for you know, people who
came here to realize the American dream.

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You know, I would say for
my father who fought in World War Two,

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anybody who fought and defended this country. Veterans of our country, you

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know, three members of our family. You know, before accounting my father,

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you know, you joined the military
to defend our country. I mean,

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this is you know, you know, we owe it. I say,

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we, the greater corporate entity of
America owes it to everyone that supported

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our country and defended our country to
you know, get this thing back on

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track and get control and revive this
constitutional republic. Yeah. Amen, you

446
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.320
said very well that this is a
constitutional republic, and unfortunately we're seeing it

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being undermined by by the liberal Democrats
who are trying to tear it down for

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their own political gain. And Paul, the other thing that I've noted here

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is that Joe Biden and the left
have gone so far left that it's really

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dragged the Republicans with them, and
they think they're compromising, and in a

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sense, they are, but they're
compromising with an extreme left. They're not

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compromising with the Democratic Party that existed, you know when you and I were

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growing up, right, Yeah,
you're right. You know, where's the

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Scoop Jackson's of the world, you
know, the moderate Democrats where you could

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compromise and together do good things for
this country. So so we're missing that

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and now the left wing, the
aocs of the world, are taking this

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country clearly in the wrong direction.
And it's unfortunate. But you know,

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we're trying to keep people honest here
in d C with our organization as best

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we can, but it'll take everybody
to to do that. They're all community,

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whether it's going to your school board
meetings and and and going after this

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uh gender affirming nonsense that's going on. Uh and and uh uh you know,

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either running for office if you can't, or at least supporting those local

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races and and and uh uh national
races that support the democratic values that we

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all fought for. Like you said, Paul, this is where you know,

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it's so important the work of the
national legal and policy center, this

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public your public interest watchdog on behalf
of the American people because we have to

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coalesce behind a vision to you know, uh, I know Trump has done

468
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a great job in encapsulating the idea
of making America great again. But you

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know we've on this show have tried
to remove it and and I say remove

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it. Take it out of party
politics. Part and party politics is what

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has us here. We've got to
refocus on the things that all Americans can

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agree on or mostly agree on,
and and that's what we need, a

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coalescing behind a vision of what America
is. I think Katie Brett in her

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counter to the Estate of the Union, you know, the junior senator from

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Alabama, I thought she did an
outstanding job in you know, presenting the

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case for America coming together. Yeah. I mean there's also the complaints about

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her her using the kitchen as the
backdrop for it, and some of her

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well they were ridiculous, Paul.
They're complaining because she made a reference to

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a twelve year old rape victim,
a human traffic victim, right, and

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they want to take exception, Well, that didn't happen during Biden, Like,

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Okay, so you're going to invalidate
the testimony in the story. Well,

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let me tell you. If you
want to know what's going you know,

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you go go to these human trafficking
camps. Are sure hear about these

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women what they're experiencing today, and
guess what, it's pretty consistent with what

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happened to that twelve year old.
But all wasn't somebody who you know,

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was you know, came out of
the Biden administration's uh, you know,

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purview or regime. Then somehow it
means less or no, you're you're right.

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I mean, the larger issue is
the immigration whether it was uh the

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one that's going on now with Biden, which is ten times worse than what

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it was before. But I think
there were some complaints about about some of

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the delivery and so forth, which
which was unfortunate because the underlying message was

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a good message. I agree with
you there, but uh, I think

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it could have been delivered a little
bit better. But nevertheless, you know,

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people can differ about that. Yeah, I think that again for those

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of us that want some hope that
uh, you know, are in need

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of leadership, we've we've got to
have somebody who can pull this all together.

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And I don't know, uh,
you know, maybe there needs to

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be an intermediary because of the divisiveness, because of the stark division in our

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country that has been resulting from you
know, those on the left, which

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go back you know to Barack Obama, uh, you know, carried forward

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with Nancy Pelosi and and uh of
course Joe Biden. I will include the

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mainstream media. I will include the
weaponized three letter agencies of our government that

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seem to have a self interest as
opposed to a corporate you know, greater

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American interest that is good for all
Americans. No, I quite, I

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quite agree that there needs to be
a fundamental change here. But in the

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meantime, we've got to fight the
fight that's been brought to us right now

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by these so far left activist and
try to counteract that in order to try

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to bring some semblance, like you
said, to the political debate by bringing

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forth some reasonable proposals that I think
we could all agree on. Well,

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and that's the deal. We have
to be in that area to where we

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can you know, have the discussion. First of all, can we reason

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together? I mean, look at
I believe that the corporate, the corporate

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potential of all of everybody's input into
the problem can serve us all better if

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we're all in agreement as to what
we want to accomplish. And I think

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for the most part, I know
people on the left, and I'm not

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talking the far left, but I
know people who have a democratic, you

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know, worldview. I'm not offended
by that. I'm saying, look at

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that's necessary. We don't need to
be siloed altogether. We need to have

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the diversity of viewpoints here to where
we can arrive at a solution that's win

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wins. So the cumulative intelligence of
three hundred and let's say, forty five

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million people, I think outweighs a
handful of you know, self appointed ruling

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elites who think they know better,
that have no success record. They come

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to the public square and they talk
as if they're all that in a bag

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of chips, and what do they
got to show for it? They have

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more losses than Victory's Paul. I
don't want to hear from them. I

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want to hear from people that are
doing something constructive, that are adding to

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people's day, that have a vision
to make America, to take the resources

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that are available to us and maximize
it in such a way to where we're

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you know, we're excited about being
an American that we're serving not only our

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own interests, but the world interest
like what we did when America, you

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know, suddenly became the dominant ruling
power in the world because we were an

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example, we were a moral authority
to the world. And that since now

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has been clipped. And you know, as Marco Rubio so eloquently put it

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back in twenty fifteen, he said
that our allies no longer trust us and

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our enemies no longer fear us.
Right, that's a good way to sum

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that up. I agree, And
you know, we all kind of year

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it for the days of Ronald Reagan, who was able to sit down with

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Tip O'Neil, who Speaker of the
House, and come to agreement on a

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lot of issues. But I think
those days are long gone, and now

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we're in the situation we find ourselves
in just a matter of you know,

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meeting the battle where it's been brought
to us. Right. No, I

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agree, I agree, Paul,
But I think that we're going to have

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to go through you know, this
could be a generational issue, and we're

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going to have to go through a
phase of having to you know, clean

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up all the messes in the aisles
that are you know, throughout our government.

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And it's not going to happen overnight. Unfortunately, power and control being

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what it is, you know,
these these uh self appointed elites are not

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going to let go of power easily. This is going to be a battle

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royale that will take place, uh
maybe another revolution of its own making and

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design that you know. I hear
people often say, Bill, I think

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America is right for a revolution,
but I don't I don't want a war.

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Well, I don't know how you
control that, because it's not like

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all of a sudden you're going to
be able to reason with the other side

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and they're going to put their guns
down or put down their you know,

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you know, their their power leverages
down and say okay, we surrender.

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It's not going to happen, you
know that way right. Well, there's

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one maybe a little light at the
end of the tunnel with respect to some

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of the legal issues, and that's
you mentioned the alphabet agencies here in town.

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The elite, whether it's the E. P A or the SEC,

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where they're going around passing these regulations
the Congress never intended and they're getting the

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courts to go along with it.
Well, there are two cases that were

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argued recently in the Supreme Court that's
going to revisit their authority to do that.

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It's called the Chevron doctrine, and
that's a case from some twenty thirty

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years ago where the courts said,
hey, look, if the statute the

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Congress passed is not clear, we're
going to defer to the agencies to interpret

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it, and therefore, if they
come up with some wacko regulation, we'll

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put our rubber stamp on it.
But now you've got some good conservative jurists

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on the Court, especially Justice Gorcius
and Kavanaugh, and the Thomas and Alito,

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were saying, wait a minute,
Wait a minute. Congress is supposed

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to pass the law. The courts
are supposed to interpret it, not some

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unelected a group of bureaucrats who make
this stuff up. So stay tuned for

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those decisions to come down this spring, and that could be a sea change

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in the way the government workers done
with respect to regulations that affect a lot

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of the American people. Well,
Paul Kevin, I really got a couple

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of minutes left here, but real
quick, speaking of the Supreme Court,

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once again, you have a president
during the State of the Union attack I

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believe, attack the Supreme Court and
kind of put them un noticed. You

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know. Barack Obama, if you
remember, did that when we were debating

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Obamacare. He fired a salvo over
the bow of their boats. And here

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you've got Biden letting off of salvo
regarding Roe v. Wade. What did

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you make of that? Yeah,
no, I thought that was very improper

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for Biden to do that. He
basically looked the justice of the square of

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the eye and said, uh huh, you know you overturned Roe v.

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Wade. Well, we're going to
have the last laugh because in your opinion

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you mentioned that this is going back
to the states and that women have the

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electoral and political power to do something. So just you wait, members of

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00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.519
Supreme Court, we're going to have
the last laugh on that. It really

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was unseemly, and actually there was
an interesting editorial in today's Wall Street Journal

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by a attorney who I know.
He's a senior attorney who's clerked for the

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Supreme Court, and he said,
you know, those justices shouldn't even be

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there because the State of the Union
message in the Constitution says that the President

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shall address Congress about the State of
the Union. And it was only back

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about you know, the mid or
late sixties that the justices started to go

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there and giving some kind of semblance
of legitimacy to this political thing. So

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I think, you know, in
the future they should not attend. And

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00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:12.559
of course Justice Thomas Clarence Thomas an
Alito don't haven't been attending those for quite

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00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.840
a while, and maybe they should
do that, but it was still improper

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for Biden to give them a potshot
or two during the State of the Union.

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Well, Paul Kamenar, once again, we appreciate the time. Thank

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you so much for being with us. He's the Washington lawyer who's also the

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counselor of the National Legal and Policy
Center of Public Interest watchdog. Paul,

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how can people be in touch and
find out more about the n l PC.

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00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.519
Yeah, great, Yeah, just
go to our website n LPC dot

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00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.880
org RG and you'll see all all
the legal actions that we're doing, also

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00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.599
the stuff for going after the Woe
corporations, going after Hunter buying it and

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00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:58.760
so forth. But it's NLPC dot
org and we're a small nonprofit group and

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we would appreciate it support you can
give us exactly. Paul Kemnar again,

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thank you so much for being with
us. Take care, have a great

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day. Thank you, and thank
you ladies and gentlemen for being with us

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and sharing a part of your day. For more information on the show,

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you can go to Bill Martinez Show
dot com. May God bless you and

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keep you. May make his face
shine upon you and be gracious unto you.

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Thank you so much, have a
great day. God bless