The Worst of Indignities-The Catholic Church on Slavery

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FORCY Radio. Well, good afternoon, Bill Martin is here. Good to

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know, it is amazing. I
think back historically on how news seems to

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travel so slowly, even in the
political process these days. I had a

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conversation with Peter Schweitzer recently and about
some of the let's say, indignities or

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the truth and how slowly it moves
out in the political process. Here he's

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reported on things that have happened,
you know, three four years ago,

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and I said, gosh, Peter, why so long? He said,

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what's just the nature of the cycle, you know. And I think back

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of you know, the Emancipation Proclamation. How long it took for people,

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you know, black slaves even and
the owners of slaves to realize that the

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President of the United States had freed
the slaves. Amazing, how even that

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lingers to this day. It's like
they didn't get the memo. And sixty

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years later from now sixty years ago, it was Martin Luther King, And

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I've got a dream speech that resonated
not only for black stare I say,

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but I think for all Americans because
it really struck a chord with the pursuit

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of a passion for perfection. Not
that we were claiming our founding fathers were

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claiming perfection, but that that was
what we were trying to do in understanding

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that God had created all men equal. And you know, we find ourselves

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in a situation where we're still debating
the issue of slavery and what it's all

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about. Well, our next guest, doctor Paul Kenar, has written a

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new book called The Worst of Indignities. The Catholic Church on Slavery goes back,

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takes a look at the history of
slavery. It's been around since the

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history of man and how it's come
about. But yet for America, somehow

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it's our original sin and the worst
of indignities. He correctly cites that Americans

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have been told for decades that slavery
is our original sin, but is it

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true. History documents that slavery has
involved peoples and cultures and countries far beyond

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the United States. Actually, slavery, as I said, is as old

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as human history itself. Doctor Paul
Kenore is the Professor of Political Science,

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Chief Academic Fellow at the Institute for
Faith and Freedom at Grove City College,

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and he's here to talk about his
new book, Doctor Paul Kenore, Welcome

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to show. Good to have you
with us. Hey, Bill, it's

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good to be with you. I've
done your radio show about a gazillion times,

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at least on this show. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you it's

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an honor to have you on with
us, especially to deal with this topic.

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And I think the timing of this
is just perfect, Like all things

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that come from God, it doesn't
happen, you know, by happenstance.

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I believe it's four an appointed time
and your book written, you know,

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sixty years after Martin Luther King's I
have a dream speech, and here you

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bring to light the truth against a
false narrative, whether it's the modern day

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false narratives of the sixteen nineteen project
and others that would want to keep people

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as they would say in chains.
Yeah. In fact, Pope John Paul

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the Second, who gave a speech
in Senegal almost thirty years ago, which

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was a major port for slaves,
called referred to referred to slavery as as

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evil, as from the devil himself, and he said that to the Christian

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coincidence is what we call providence.
Right. So so indeed, I think

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it is providential that we're talking about
this. And there was a there was

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a book that came out Bill I
guess it was I think it was two

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thousand and seven, and it was
called White Cargo, and it did pretty

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well. It was, in fact, it was published by NYU Press.

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It's a very thoughtful book, you
know, very academic, very scholarly,

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and it focused on it focused on
the year not sixteen nineteen, but sixteen

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eighteen, which was actually this was
before the whole sixteen nineteen project even began,

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so no one was even thinking.
I think they plucked sixteen nineteen out

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of the air, almost because it's
before sixteen twenty. Right. But but

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I guess I won't question if they
if they believe that's when the first black

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slaves came to America in sixteen nineteen, if that's what they have, okay,

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this book. White Cargo pointed out
that the first slaves that came to

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America we're in sixteen eighteen. They
were whites. They were white slaves that

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came from Britain. They were indentured
servants. And people will say, wow,

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that's not the same as you have
black slaves from Africa. No,

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the black slaves were usually treated worse, but those indentured servants, they were

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auctioned, they were sold, some
of them were whipped. I mean,

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they were treated with great cruelty and
the like you said in the intro.

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The fact is slavery goes back to
I mean, scholars estimate six thousand and

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eight thousand years ec open your Bible
all through there. Right, Well,

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it's the nature of man, you
know, you conquer, you conquer an

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area, and these people it's almost
that there's a choice. And you read

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repeatedly in the Old Testament where God
either asked or doesn't ask. He commands

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the children of Israel toive fully decimate
them, including the animals, or to

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enslave them. So uh you know, so yeah. And I quote in

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the book one of the Muslim sultans
who is just perplexed by these Christians in

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the West who are trying to abolish
slavery. He's like, I don't get

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this. I mean, you you
invade a place and you you you you

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you know, you rape, you
pillage, you take the women as slaves.

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Uh you know you? You take
the boys and you turn them into

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janissaries forcibly converted at Dislam to fight
their Christian ancestors. Later on, what

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all? What's all this handwringing about
about slavery for right? But but it

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was Christians who who led the movement. What makes America unusual? I quote

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Thomas soul A Black Americans saying,
this is not that we had slavery,

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because practically every country and culture did, but that we ended it and the

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bloodiest in the history of our country. Thousand people died in the Civil Wars.

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That's more than all the combined wars
casualties including World War One, World

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War Two, Korea, Vietnam,
all added up in the history of America.

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That's and not to mention, let's
also remember that a president gave up

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his life for slavery as well.
Yeah, well that's exactly right, and

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that president too. I mean,
people will ask, well, what about

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the American founders, Well, Lincoln
would tell you right, as he did

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in the Gettysburg Address that four score
and seven years prior, that would be

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seventeen seventy six, our forefathers put
forth the proposition that all men were created

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equal. And I go through you
know how the vast majority of the founding

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fathers well actually quote scholars saying all
of them were actually against slavery and principle

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in theory, including Jefferson, including
Washington who had slaves. But whether or

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not they could actually end it,
that was a different story all together.

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But at least they put in the
principle that the God created men for freedom,

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right, white liberty, pursuit of
happiness. And we couldn't end it

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overnight. We couldn't ended in seventeen
seventy six, or we would have had

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a civil war in seventeen seventy six. You would have never gotten a declaration

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of independence in the West. Constitution
everything else, So it took it took

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some time, as it did every
culture. The Brits abolished it in eighteen

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thirty five. Brazil didn't get around
to it until eighteen eighty eight. By

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the way, the trans Atlantic slave
trade, the country that had the most

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slaves was Brazil, all right,
And you know, not to do the

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kind of identity racial politics and garbage
that I hate that the left does,

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but it was just say for the
record that the Brazilians are exactly Northern European

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white guys from Norway. All right. This is about the truth. You

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know, we're giving, you know, our viewers the truth, the whole

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truth, and nothing but because they
have been fed a narrative of fault,

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narrative to promote a different agenda and
interest. Because let's go back to what

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the Founding fathers. The founding fathers
understood how problematic it was going to be

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the thirteen colonies. There was no
way they were going to be able to

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agree, and there had to be
an incremental step. However, they made

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sure it was documented that all men
were created equal and do inalienable rights from

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God, not from government. And
so they made sure that that was in

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a sense the chief cornerstone again,
interestingly enough, a chief cornerstone that people

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continue to you know, stub their
toes on and it becomes a stumbling block

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because they don't want to handle the
truth. But for those people of faith

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who held and pursue God's principles,
you know, we understand liberty. We

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understand how cherished that is. We
understand and that it is part of our

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birthright. We're talking with doctor Paul
Kengre about his new book The Worst of

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Indignities the Catholic Church on Slavery and
giving you the truth and true history of

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slavery that it's been around and how
it refutes this idea, this narrative that's

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been out there saying that it's America's
original sin, right Paul, Yeah,

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And in fact, I mean so
there are people on the political left in

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America, especially the people in the
area of like critical race theory, who

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want to try to frame this as
this like uniquely American, even white man's

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sin. But but all countries and
all cultures have engaged in Okay, go

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back to the Old Testament. The
Jews are enslaved by practically everybody, including

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the Egyptians, and egypt Is in
Northern Africa, China. I mean,

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I go through the case of China, horrific, the number of the number

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of black slaves in China. The
biggest slavers in the history of humanity for

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about fifteen hundred years have been the
Muslims, right Middle Eastern Muslims. And

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and here's a shock for you folks, all right, and remember this when

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you when you seek to cancel Columbus
on Columbus Day, and fire up instead

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this Indigenous People's Day. All five
of the so called civilized tribes in America,

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the Cherokee, the Chocta, all
the others, all owned black African

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slaves in America. They were slavers. They owned slaves, and they were

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cruel, vicious slave masters. They
would they would torture their slaves, they

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would amputate them to keep them,
to keep them from escaping. There are

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still to this day, Bill,
there are black Americans today alive ancestors of

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black Americans who were enslaved by Cherokees, by the Indian tribes. There were

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American Indian tribes that fought with a
Confederacy in the Civil War. They still

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owned slaves after the Civil War Emancipation
Proclamation, so this, this has gone

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on forever. I mentioned earlier scholars
say six thousand and eight thousand years BC,

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they traced slavery back to ancient Mesopotamia, and ancient Mesopotamia which is modern

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day or rock. Read your Bible
talks about the Tigris and the Euphrates River.

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Oh what is that? That's the
Garden of Eden. This this goes

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way back. And in saying all
of this, I don't in any way

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needless to say, mean to diminish
what happened to black Americans. In fact,

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I'm kind of hoping your bill that
some Black Americans will read this book

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and say, you know, it
actually makes me feel a little bit better

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to know that, damn it,
they did this to everybody, right,

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the words Italian and Polish relatives.
Wow, they did this to everybody.

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Yeah, it's gone throughout all of
history. It's human nature to look down

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on what they perceived to be the
less bends, right, Paul, Yeah,

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you know in India you've got the
delete the untouchables. You know,

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there's always some in a cast system
that exists. I think it just is

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the nature of man, and it's
a result of you know, the fall

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from grace and the fall out of
the Garden of Eden. It is part

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and parcel of the original, of
the true Original, sin Well and the

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and the only thing that changes it, okay is Christianity. Okay, you

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get Christians that come along. And
in America it was it was Protestant abolitionists.

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In Britain it was as well,
people like Wilberforce, even founding fathers

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like you know, put aside Jefferson
and Washington who had slaves, John Adams,

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Ben Franklin, I mean, Franklin's
last public gig was the president of

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the Pennsylvania Society for the Abolition of
Slavery. As I go through in this

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book, the Catholic Church as encyclicals
going back to fourteen thirty four or fourteen

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thirty five, that's four hundred years
before Wilberforce, right, that's that's that's

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that's before Columbus was even born.
The Atlantic slave trade began in fourteen forty

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four, so you know, the
Church released in a cyclical in fourteen thirty

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four condemning the enslavement of black amor
of black Indians of the Canary Islands.

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So it was not doing what Marx
would do with critical race theory or whatever

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you know they do today the in
the in the with the New York Times

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sixteen nineteen project, they were doing
what Jesus did right. It was the

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idea that human beings are made in
the image of God and should be set

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free. And as for those Christians
who pointed to their Bible to justify slavery,

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they were wrong. Okay, that's
not their Bible's fault. It's not

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God's fault. It's not the Church's
fault. That's their fault. Okay,

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they are sinful human beings, just
like all those Muslims that have been enslaving

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people still to this day. I
mean google US State Department reported and modern

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slavery in the Sudan. All right, that's going on in the twenty first

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century where you have black Muslims in
the Sudan taking black Christians and capturing them

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and selling them in a slavery But
at the new Jim Caviezel movie right,

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sexually, I'm gonna say, look
at our southern border. That is the

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gateway to modern slavery, sex trafficking. That's going on that, you know,

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which amazes me, Paul, because
in the first GOP debate, nothing

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was brought up about sex. You
know, sex slavery that's taking place in

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our country, where the number one
country on the planet when it comes to

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sex slavery. Yeah, Well,
an uncontrolled border that's unpoliced. I mean

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that does, in fact, I
mean clearly opened the door to precisely that

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kind of thing. I mean,
you go to certain airports, you go

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to certain places internationally, and and
yours signs everywhere about watch your children,

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right, watch your young girls.
I mean the State Department has reports on

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this. If you travel abroad,
watch out, so your children are literally

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captured. Right. So this ought
to be on the radar at the border.

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But you know, as we know
with Biden, that's just a whole

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different issue altogether. Yeah, I
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gates open, Paul. I mean, here we have gates that we're able

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to, uh, you know,
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oh, he's got a better idea, so he welds the gates open

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so nobody can close the gates.
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This is what you know, we
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show. Paul. That here it
is. You've got to doctors, you

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know, professional licensed medicine officials,
doctors who are losing their license for prescribing

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ivermecten or hydroxy cloroquine. But yet
our government is allowing the free flow of

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fentanol that is killing thousands of people
every day to come into our country with

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impunity. I mean, this,
this world that we're in is so upside

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down. You know, it's going
to add to your point. It's one

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thing to be ignorant, but it's
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I believe we have because of the
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the political environment and all these other
narratives if flying around, Paul, we

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have a disease of willful ignorance,
which is dangerous for each individual and for

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our country at large. Well.
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because of ideology. In fact,
that's what's driven a lot of this modern

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slavery narrative, right, I mean, the things that you and I have

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been talking about. If you know, if if this is watched by somebody

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who calls their sixteen seventeen year old
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stare like, this can't be true. I mean I'm not learning any of

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any of this in my class,
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I mean we're the slave country,
right from the country of the sixteen nineteen

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project. You know, word Worth. What did he say, he said,

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American Indian Zone slaves. Oh,
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were living this idyllic, pristine existence
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man came in and destroy so everything
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with the harmony, right, Paul. Yeah, And the truth will set

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you free. It does people.
It serves people well to learn the truth

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about this. Seriously, you might
feel a little bit better about about your

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background, who you are when you
see that we're kind of all in this

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together. You know, this is
the devil, right, that this is

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what humanity has gone through all together. But but there are people that want

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to turn you. They want to
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a victim group. Right, you're
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It's like Marx did with a bourgeoisie
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the new mar race based Marxist framework
put you black or white, one

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of two categories, which is insane
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shades of colors, right, It's
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I think it helps to know that
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is this is part of sinful humanity
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that is driving this to keep us
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know, like Tokoville, when he
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impressed with this, this unifying concept
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the and the power, the ingenuity, the creativity, the joy that people

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had as a result of being able
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over time, sadly, we bought
into narratives that divided us. Paull hat

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and today even more so, we're
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you know, you make a critical
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something that we echo on all our
shows, and that is you must own

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your own knowledge. You know,
you don't know something just because somebody told

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you something, not just because you
know Bill and Paul told you something.

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Yes, Paul's done some incredible research
here, but it's up to you to

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own your own knowledge. Check it
out for yourself. If you think it's

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unbelievable, challenge it, ask the
critical questions, discover it for yourself so

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that you know that you know that's
the challenge and the opportunity, because number

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one, it's going to make you
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a better citizen, make it a
better parent, and a better participant in

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your local community, in your government. Well, that's right. And in

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fact, here's another fact that people
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the trans Atlantic slave trade, which
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goes for about four hundred years,
talking tens of millions of black Africans sold

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in a slavery, less than five
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the numbers probably about four point four
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lot were Portuguese Empire, Spanish Empire, and like I said, number one

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was Brazil. Brazil was the worst. Brazil still had slavery going on until

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eighteen eighty eight. And there are
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going on into the nineteen sixties and
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going on today. In fact,
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nation, I guess it is really
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establish one. But I asked,
the Islamic state, the Islamic Caliphate that

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ISIS has tried to establish. ISIS
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girls they've captured, and they have
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janissaries in the fighting forces for ISIS. So if you if you're if you

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fight ISIS, you're fighting modern slavery. If you're fighting the Taliban, uh,

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you're you're fighting you're fighting modern slavery. So and and there are but

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I quote in the book Black Americans
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the nineteen nineties that there was still
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were furious and they and they thought, where's the Congressional Black Caucus on this?

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and which you know, you should
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this is going on in the Sudan
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TV shows where they where they actually
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ABC News show where they I think
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and they went down and actually purchased
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prove to people, this is going
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on. Do something about this now
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because everything you know, this is
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is that you can follow the money. If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharkton could

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be making some money out of outside
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really angry, but one was from
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in Baltimore, and they realized what
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maybe a Jesse Jackson, maybe an
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thing, all right, So to
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countries now in the nineteen nineties or
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that narrative. But you know,
but these other Black Americans were saying,

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it's okay, man, we could
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to repeat that. But at the
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know in the country of our root, the continent of our roots. We

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got to be over there. Uh. And a lot of these black Americans

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today are you know, fabulously wealthy. Right, we can take some of

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our money and go back and help
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you can talk about both. You
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to serve a you know, CRT
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You gotta be out there trying to
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world. Yeah, but where has
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money going into these black countries to
help, uh, you know, blacks

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outside of the United States. I
see money going to buy mansions, uh,

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you know, to make payments to
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you know, things like that.
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shameful. But then we get to
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this willful ignorance to accommodate their industry. I mean, you know, it

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reminds me, you know, speaking
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people freaked out when the apostle Paul
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the gods of a certain community,
right, and they all freaked out and

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there were riots all over the place
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know, here we've got this Jesus
who rose from the dead that they can't

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make a statue out of. But
they've got all these other statues, and

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you're gonna you're gonna kill the statue
business, right. Yeah, as you're

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saying this, Bill, I'm thinking
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can anybody recall off the top of
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Obama condemning like, you know,
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mean, I was going to write
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decided not to get not to go
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got far more statements of like Pope
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black, his mother was white.
He was raised by his white mother and

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two fairly well off white grandparents in
Hawaii. Obama's as black as my adopted

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son is my you know, my
son is half black. But but you

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know, this was something that a
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a lot with well, and I
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Paul. That's what they hoped for. They hope that he would be the

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fulfillment of Martin Luther King's dream.
But then he's gone back to building mansions,

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right, and instead he's got this
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in Martha's Vineyard. His daughters go
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know, he ought to be out
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I mean, Michelle Obama made tens
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her book, right, I mean, you know this is uh, this

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could be third world charitable work that
they could do. And I'm not trying

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to pick on them, but but
I'm just saying, people, and we're

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happy that we had a black president. That's an opportunity for someone like that

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in the bully pulpit of the presidency
to make a big difference on an international

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issue like modern slavery and ready made
Paul people wanted healing, and all he

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had to it wasn't going to take
a lot of effort, and he could

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have truly been a modern day Abraham
Lincoln change agent. He likes to use

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that word change agents exactly. But
but unfortunately his idea of changing was not

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like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther
King looked for reforming, he didn't look

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for destructing. And sadly, I
believe that Barack Obama, with all his

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talents and gifts that were available to
him is God given gifts, used it

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in a way that was more destructive
than constructed. He promised what a fundamental

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transformation of America right a few days
before thee and hope and changed, And

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then after I guess that hope and
change wasn't about as available as those ready

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many what shuffle ready jobs I guess
he put, but he illuminated the White

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House and the colors of the rainbow
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June twenty fifteen. I mean,
that's the kind of fundamental transformation that he

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had in mind. But where was
the leadership on issues like this, right,

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I mean modern Yeah, and not
to mention the economic structure of the

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country, you know, capitalism,
the free enterprise system, the opportunity.

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I mean, the reason that the
light was shining on a hill, as

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John Winter put it, was because
you had an opportunity to be free to

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exercise the you're God given talents and
whenever that's happened. Paul Timan again,

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historically you look at the model and
the pattern, and you see how well

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this country does, how more joyful
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like currently, which is another extension
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are groaning, They're not very happy. Well. And I quote in the

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book organizations like Free the Slaves,
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, they

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estimate that today there's something like twenty
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and that includes chattel slavery, includes
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we think more about modern sex slavery, and it's not it isn't as common

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as what you saw with the Transatlantic
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Claver going onto these ships and administering
to these poor people from Africa. But

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you know, they estimate that in
terms of sheer numbers, it's actually more

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prominent now than at any time in
history. And again that's the modern era,

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twenty tens, twenty twenties, era
of the Obama presidency era, now

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of the Biden presidency. We have
a state department that could be looking at

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this stuff, and what you know, what is America doing on it?

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Instead we're pushing things like the sixteen
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know, going going back four hundred
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And I don't know anybody, I
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Come on, Bill, do you
know anybody who supports slavery? Nobody?

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Nobody supports Nobody wants to go back
to sixteen nineteen, sixteen twenty,

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So what there is unanimity on that? All right? We could we need

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to teach it. It's the history. We need to teach it, all

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the history. But what's being done
on the current day. I mean that's

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where the focus on a live here
they are they get an international award.

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This is theoretical. Peer reviews have
disclaimed it, but yet it is still

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put out there. It's still allowed
to have traction. I mean it's kind

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of like Darwin's Survival of the Fittest. I mean, you didn't lop its

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head off, so it you know, grows another head and you know,

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manages a way to continue and is
given some sort of credence and life after

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death. It's it's amazing how these
things stick around, Paul, because there's

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no substance at the end of the
day, the sixteen nine project, except

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for those radicals, those passionate,
uh, you know, argumentists that want

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to you know, shout you down. You know, how dare you how

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dare you invalidate this? Well,
there's no validation. I'd be happy to

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validate it, but don't. I
don't get it. This is theory,

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and it's been peer reviewed and it's
been measured and it's come up short.

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Yeah, And you know, this
is a problem of following ideology rather than

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following faith. And i'd say the
Christian faith, and as Martin Luther King

409
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Junior understood, the only category that
automatter is that we're all made in the

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imago day, in the image of
God, and that we are all children

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under God. And that means that
also that we've all been, We've all

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had ancestors who've been victims of slavery. I mean, I think often about,

413
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Oh man, I'd love to go
back four hundred years bill to my

414
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Italian family on my mom's side and
Raggio Calabria, Italy, ma'am. That

415
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must have been just an idyllic existence. Actually, they were under constant threat

416
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from Muslim pirates right the battle,
the Siege of Malta, the Battle of

417
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:23.440
Laponto. They were in fear all
the time of their lovely daughters being captured

418
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and taken on boats and taken away
as slaves, right, and the boys

419
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:34.079
being being put into ships and rowing
and ships all the galleys. Right.

420
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Uh, you know that that was
the And my Roman ancestors might have enslaved

421
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my dad's ancestors on the Polish side. And in fact that the word slave

422
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.680
comes from Slavists, which is which
is which, which is for slaves?

423
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Slaves were the first slaves, right, I mean again, it goes on

424
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on in my family. The only
the only people in my family that had

425
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any relation to slavery in the Civil
War was my dad's mother. They were

426
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the Flynns out of West Virginia.
And they fought for the union, and

427
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.839
they fought to free slaves. So
the idea that that you know, you

428
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or I today should be paying reparations
when I'm here because my grandfather left Ratio

429
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.400
Calabria in nineteen oh eight, I
mean. And by the way, let

430
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:30.039
me add that I point out in
the book that the Catholic Church and its

431
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:36.799
condemnations of slavery, was calling for
reparations in the fifteen hundreds and to be

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paid, to be paid to slaves. And people think about it, that

433
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shouldn't be a surprise. Right when
I go to confession and I confess my

434
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.519
sins, if I've done something wrong
to somebody, the priest tells me,

435
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.599
you need to make a reparation for
that. You need to go to the

436
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.559
person that you've done wrong, or
whatever you've done, you need to rectify

437
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.119
it. And so the church said
back then, first of all, said,

438
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anybody who own own slaves, whether
lady, princes, whoever, you

439
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.359
need to set them free or you're
going to be excommunicated, all right.

440
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.519
And then in addition to that,
you need to pay them reparations. And

441
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.159
by the way, you don't pay
reparations, you don't have somebody five hundred

442
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.199
years later, who had nothing to
do with that pay reparations for something happened

443
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.039
five hundred years ago. The people
that have to pay their reparations are those

444
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.159
directly responsible in the time. And
I feel bad for Black Americans that they

445
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.400
weren't paid the reparations in the eighteen
sixties. If if it should have been

446
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.400
done, it should have been done
then. But you certainly can't. You

447
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:47.719
know, have Californians and you will
unfairly raises an expectation and a promise that

448
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.719
cannot be fulfilled. Uh you know, I meant Governor or Newsome. You

449
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.840
know, at first he kind of
was open for the idea until he wasn't

450
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.800
open until and then now he's trying
to moderate it. But meanwhile, you've

451
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.400
got I found out that much of
a cost. You've got people in San

452
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.320
Francisco going, you know, five
million, That sounds like a good round

453
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.519
number. Wait a minute, what
just because of the color of your skin?

454
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And not to mention the fact that
again we were not analyzing here is

455
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.639
the Great California was not a slave
state. Well, no, absolutely,

456
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.360
But but the other thing though,
Paul, and this thing again in the

457
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:29.760
spiritual realm, the Great Redeemer and
Justifier, the God of all mercy.

458
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:36.000
We have no idea how God extent
did mercy to these families that were so

459
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:43.199
unrighteously oppressed, and how he brought
them to this opportunity, This light on

460
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.480
a shining hill brought him to America. It may have been in a boat,

461
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.079
It may have been under the form
of slavery. I mean, we

462
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.239
know the story of Joseph right.
He was captured, he was made into

463
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:58.039
a slave and taken to Egypt.
But God redeemed him and he redeemed the

464
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.440
children of Israel. And we don't
know that story. We don't know the

465
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.320
connectivity of how these families were redeemed
by God and how they were blessed by

466
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.480
God. We know, when you
go back in history, there were a

467
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.639
lot more you know, black entrepreneurs
and business people who did very well.

468
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.599
Uh you know here in America,
you know, in spite of slavery and

469
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.159
on the other side and even fighting
through the injustice and some of these states

470
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.679
not even wanting to adhere to the
Emancipation Proclamation. We have success stories,

471
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.840
right, yeah, I think the
success of black Americans is one of the

472
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.000
most amazing examples success stories in all
of human history. I mean for people

473
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who came the United States as slaves, and you look now at i mean

474
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:51.239
the number of black millionaires. It's
it's astonishing, it's really it's really an

475
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:57.199
amazing example of perseverance. And I
think I think that's a narrative that ought

476
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.519
to be taught to young black kids
to inspire them, right, rather than

477
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.519
the sixteen nineteen narrative to make them
feel like victims. Right, because the

478
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.360
achievement of Black Americans is it's just
phenomenal. They're only like, they're only

479
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.440
like eleven or twelve percent of the
population, but I mean you never know

480
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.960
it from from you know, watching
television and entertainment and everything else. I

481
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.280
mean, they've thrived. It's amazing
what Black Americans have done. And so

482
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.800
that's something worthy of celebrating. And
that's something we ought to be knowing and

483
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.400
teaching, teaching our kids, especially
young black kids. This is America.

484
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.760
This is what makes us exceptional and
great is this is the land of opportunity.

485
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.840
But yet we have these prevailing forces. And you wrote about it in

486
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.800
your book about Marx, that you
know, you've got this, uh,

487
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:53.079
this pandemic that has come upon this
country that's affecting our perspective and how things

488
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:58.639
should be governed. And you know, Marxism has been proven time and again

489
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.440
to be a failure, kills people, it destroys uh. And here,

490
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.679
you know, we've got these young
kids, Paul, that have been convinced

491
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:13.159
in the halls of of academia that
you know that this is a you know,

492
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.679
a positive alternative, right right,
yeah, yeah, no, no

493
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.119
question about it. And I mean
the solution to this is well three words

494
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.039
education, education, education, because
that's where it all went wrong. What

495
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.679
they've been learning in schools, what
they've learned in our our lusy universities,

496
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.639
which are frankly left wing in doctrination
centers. And I think the only way

497
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:42.599
that you could start to try to
provide a corrective is by shows like this,

498
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.039
right, your radio show, getting
people to read books like this.

499
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:52.480
And unfortunately you have to you have
to self educate, and a lot of

500
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:59.039
parents and grandparents have to take the
initiative of providing the corrective and you know,

501
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.639
forwarding and from nation like this the
young people to teach them what they

502
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.800
haven't learned in our schools. Well, this country was really the base of

503
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.159
this country was self responsibility. I
mean, we took the principles Judeo Christian

504
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.800
principles that command self responsibility. You
can't go and say, oh, it

505
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.400
was that woman that you gave me, right, I mean right, that

506
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.119
excuse fell on the ground really quick, even back in the garden of Eden.

507
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:29.280
And so you can't stupid excuse right, right, right? Right?

508
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.840
Didn't? Yeah? Yeah, and
that and truly that's where it all began.

509
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.519
I mean, this is this is
about sin and evil in the world.

510
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.239
And it was Pope Pious the Tight
that gave the title to this book,

511
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.800
right, called slavery the worst of
indignities. And he said then around

512
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.800
nineteen ten, the same thing that
Pope Paul the Third said in the fifteen

513
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.320
hundreds. He said, where does
slavery come from? Well, it doesn't

514
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.400
come from this group or that group. It comes from the Father of Lies,

515
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.840
comes from Satan. It's an instrument
of Satan. So this isn't something

516
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.880
people say, well, it's in
the Bible. Well, it's in the

517
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.360
Bible because it existed. I mean, that's why it's there. It's not

518
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.440
why God is saying this is how
it should be. As the Bible doesn't

519
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.800
doesn't urge that people have slaves.
But but but it deals with the existence

520
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.320
of it. So it's it's a
product of evil, it's the product of

521
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.280
the Father of lies. And what
we need to do is remember again that

522
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.360
we're all made in the image of
God and uh and and and try to

523
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:39.119
work to change it for the better. Well when we insist on seeing things

524
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:44.119
according to our own eyes. We're
back to the Book of Judges. And

525
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.079
as you said, Paul, you
know we have a choice. We're always

526
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.239
at that cross rugs. You can
choose life, you can choose death,

527
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:57.199
you can choose God, you can
choose Satan. There's clear evidence which which

528
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:02.039
each of those choices delivered. But
again, this is you know, willful

529
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.079
ignorance, and call it stupidity,
call it what you want. But here

530
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.400
we are in this modern era today, this very moment, and this could

531
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.280
very well be your appointed time that
God has given you to where you pursue

532
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:21.400
the truth no matter where it leaves, and you make that commitment and you

533
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:27.920
affirm to live a life of life
and truth and abandon these things that seem

534
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.840
so convenient, you know, brought
to you by this culture and by this

535
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:37.280
world that is destroying right before your
very eyes. You know, I find

536
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.800
it quite interesting to see us to
be at this critical nexus that we're in

537
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.320
right now as a culture, you
know, politically, spiritually, not only

538
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.880
here in America but around the world. Paul, and your book again,

539
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:55.239
it goes a long way in helping
us to kind of recenter ourselves. You

540
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.960
know, this is something and you've
been on my radio show before and you

541
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.599
you've heard me say this is that
we have to return to first principles.

542
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:09.960
We've got to come back to those
anchoring, truthful points of reality so that

543
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.559
we can truly be set free and
live a life of freedom that God intended

544
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:21.280
for us as much as possible this
side of heaven. Yeah, I can't

545
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.920
top that. I think I'll end
on that, and I think to follow

546
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:31.039
up and what you said, you
choose life, choose truth, And amen,

547
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.199
I can't put it anybody than what
you just said. Well, Paul,

548
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.480
the worst of indignities the Catholic Church
on slavery. You felt this was

549
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:46.280
a book that you had to write. Yeah, indeed, and in fact

550
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.280
so I got the idea for it
in the summer of twenty twenty. And

551
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.760
at that time, that's when everything
was erupting with BLM and everything else that

552
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.800
was going on. And I wrote
a piece for Chrisis mag magazine on the

553
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:07.440
Catholic Church's position on slavery, pointing
out that they're encyclical act five hundred and

554
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.679
six hundred years pandemic slavery. You
know, not to mention people like Saint

555
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.320
Patrick. I mean, people don't
know that Saint Patrick was a slave.

556
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.840
There were there were popes like Gregory
the Great late five hundreds who had who

557
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.440
had two slaves that were bequeathed given
to him, who he set free.

558
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.440
There are groups like the Council of
Ogda that in the year five h six

559
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.079
delt with slavery, the Council of
Kobun's the Council of Worms, right,

560
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.079
these things going back to the nine
hundreds. And so I wrote that piece

561
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.480
at the time for Crisis Magazine,
pointing out that you know, there's a

562
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.360
lot of good that people have done
to try to end this, especially in

563
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.280
the West, which is kind of
uniquely condemned for it. And my friend

564
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.559
Scott Hahn, who he has a
mais Road Publishing, and he saw that

565
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.599
article, he said, you need
to write a full book on this.

566
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:01.360
At the time, Bill I thought, well, I'm working on like three

567
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.599
or four other books to do this, right, But I knew he was

568
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.400
right, and I knew it was
something that I had to write, and

569
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.360
so hopefully, hopefully people will get
a copy. It's about seventy thousand words,

570
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.320
eighty thousand words, it's not too
long, about two hundred pages,

571
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.559
and get it to your kids,
get it to your grandkids, get it

572
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.800
to home schools. And I think, I think, and it's your priest

573
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.719
Paul, right, right, Really
I mean it because this is something that

574
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.440
the pulpits should be pronouncing as well, because they've said nothing. Over the

575
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.199
years, the Catholic Church has been
maligned, it's been misrepresented. You know,

576
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.159
people, you know, you get
all these false stories and narratives about

577
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.480
the Catholic Church, and then you
go, wait a minute, let's take

578
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.440
a look at history, see what's
happening. And we have to take a

579
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.920
look at history through the lens of
our humanity as well to realize that nobody

580
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.880
is perfect. Right, Yeah,
no, that's exactly right. And in

581
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.880
many cases you had these you had
not just failed Christians and failed priests and

582
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.039
failed nuns and even failed orders,
right, failed groups. I point out

583
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:13.920
on the book that Georgetown University recently
apologized for the Jesuits at Georgetown selling a

584
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.199
bunch of slaves that they had come
in possession of in the eighteen hundreds and

585
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.079
and so you know, clearly that's
not the fault of the church. That's

586
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.079
the fault of that group of Jesuits
at George. But in the you know,

587
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.559
the thing is, though, Paul, the thing is, and this

588
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.639
is what happens time and again,
whether we're talking Catholic Church, they see

589
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:36.599
the era of their ways and they
corrected it right. I mean, if

590
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.920
they were filled, if they were
still Delta and they were still controlled by

591
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.800
it, that'd be a different deal. But you know, they saw what

592
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.119
was happening that it wasn't right,
it didn't square up with scripture, and

593
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.760
they reconciled that well. And there
were there were entire orders like Saint John

594
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.480
de Matha, Saint Peter and Alasco. You know, around the year eleven

595
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:04.519
hundred, entire orders that were established
for the ransom of slaves. I mean,

596
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:10.000
that's seven hundred some years before the
Jesuits at Georgetown. Right by the

597
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.280
cover of the book, we had
Peter Claver, who who was I think

598
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.719
in fact Leo the thirteenth said,
no other figure in the history of Christianity

599
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.519
other than Christ himself has impressed me
as much as Peter Claver. I mean,

600
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:30.000
this guy got permission to row out
on a ship with two oarsmen to

601
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.079
get to the belly of the ship
quicker even before it got to shore,

602
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.199
and there would be hardened sailors on
the ship wouldn't even go down into the

603
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.760
guts of the ship because the stench
was so bad from all the poor slaves

604
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.639
that were packed in there like sardines
on the way from Africa. Claver goes

605
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.360
in there, and there were there
were black African slaves who said, I

606
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.960
swear I saw a halo around this
guy's head, right, I swear I

607
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.599
saw a halo around his head.
And he comes in. He's wiping their

608
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.599
faces, he's taking his cloak,
he's wiping the mucus and blood off their

609
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:12.039
faces. They had urine on each
other because of the way they were stacked

610
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.199
up, and defecating on each other
because of the way they were stacked up.

611
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He went in and like and like
Jesus, like Saint Francis kissing lepers,

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right, kissed these or Mother Theresa
the same way exactly. Yeah,

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So, I mean, so there
are figures like that in the history of

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the church. And uh, and
they did that because they did that out

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of Christian conviction. And by the
way, you'll run into people say,

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well, but what did Peter Claver
do to end slavery? Nothing? But

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he couldn't. He couldn't end slavery. His call was to actually do I

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think more remarkable things and sponsor legislation
in a parliament that didn't get anywhere.

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I mean, he walked the walk, right, he went in and Mother

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Teresa, you mentioned, said what
can you do? Don't go to Calcutta,

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start Europe, find your own Calcutta, right, find the Calcutta in

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your neighborhood, in your region,
and go and go there. And minister

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did did Mother Teresa? And poverty? No, but but but she took

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care of these people while they were
dying. So you do what you can

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in your own era. And that
includes statements from the church in fourteen thirty

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four, fourteen thirty five. Did
those statements end slavery? Of course not

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right, just like slavery today hasn't
hasn't ended. But you know, in

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our own time, in our own
day and in our own way, right,

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we do personally And by the way, you liberals listening, Okay,

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who was sitting right now in some
coffee shop in Manhattan, all right,

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getting up in the morning and agitating
for critical race theory? What are you

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doing right? What are you doing
right? Are you going down to the

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homeless shelter? Right? Are you
going to the clinic even to the clinic

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and helping the women when they come
out after they've gotten the abortions that you

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fought for their right to get.
Because I've been to those places, and

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I've been with the women on their
way out from the plan Parenthood escorts who

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brought them in. They're nowhere to
be found. When the girls are on

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their way out, and those girls
are practically crawling out of there in some

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cases they're devastated. Well what are
you doing? Yeah? Case in point

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is, you don't even have to
go to a homeless shelter. All you

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gotta do is step outside of a
Starbucks and they're right there in the street.

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Yeah, they are right, I
mean, so why a just God

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in the United States of America brought
the homeless and the less fans out in

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the streets for everybody not to deny
Paul the Starbucks that I walked by twice

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last week in Washington, DC.
They're Planned Parenthood volunteers getting people as signed

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petitions in fact that will say where
it is. But they're often there and

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when I politely say to them,
no thanks. I've had a last two

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occasions, they were very confrontational.
They were very confrontational, and in one

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case, the guy was yelling at
me. I don't know why he was

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yelling at me. I had a
black T shirt with Jesus and the crucifix

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on the back. I don't know
if the targeted that made me a target.

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Maybe it triggered, maybe it's trigger
him. To him, I just

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said no thanks. I didn't say
get out of here, you suck on

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pro life. Leave me alone,
exactly I thought. And when I'm on

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my way back, I went way
around the block because I thought, it

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seems like these guys are after me. Well, they were very confrontational.

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Well we got to leave it there. Paul Ken gore his new book The

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Worst of Indignities the Catholic Church on
slavery again. As Paul admonished us,

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all, I mean, it's a
good book to read. This will help

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you I'd even say, put it
in the hand, you know, for

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your Catholics. Put it in the
hand of priests, put it in the

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hand of any of the faithful to
help them understand whether we're talking the Catholic

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Church, people of faith and what
they did, the real truth about slavery,

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not only here in America but around
the world. Paul, How can

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people be in touch with you?
Yeah? Hey, thanks Bill. So

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among other things, I'm the editor
of the American Spectator, So go to

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Spectator dot org and you can read
my articles there. I also write for

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Crisis Magazine, National Catholic Register,
and I'm with the Institute for Faith and

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Freedom at Grove City College, which
is Faith and Freedom dot com. Great

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doctor Paul Kaan Gore, thank you
so much for being with us here.

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Awesome Pal. Appreciate you. God
bless Thank you so much. Bill,

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appreciate you as well. You got
it. For more information. To be

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to return to God and to save our

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dot com. May God bless you and

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keep you, make his faith shine
upon you. May He be gracious unto

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you and give you peace. Go
and be blessed to be a blessing.

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Thank you, we'll see you later. Take care, God bless